An interview by Mohammad Tahavori with Mohsen Sazegara for Gozaar. Sazegara divides the Islamic Republic's history into four 'republics': revolution and war, Khamenei's shift of power from clergy to military, the Khatami reform era, and an emerging 'Fourth Republic'. He lists the revolution's ideals, argues freedom was never practiced, says Khamenei cannot reform the system, calls Ahmadinejad a farcical replay of 1979, and urges a peaceful transition to democracy guided by lessons for younger generations.